For a self-described shy person, Jessica Stovall is making some big waves these days.
The 34-year old “Badger fanatic” graduate of the UW–Madison School of Education and Chancellor’s Scholarship program has spent the last 11 years teaching at the Oak Park and River Forest High School (OPRF) in the suburbs of Chicago. She’s been showered with accolades, including Illinois’ Golden Apple Teacher of Distinction and the Fulbright Distinguished Teacher Award, which allowed her to spend several months in New Zealand researching the country’s efforts to address the achievement gap between Maori and non-Maori students.
Now she’s making the leap to the small screen as a subject in the upcoming documentary series “America to Me” by Academy Award-nominated filmmaker (and Oak Park resident) Steve James (Hoop Dreams, Life Itself). The series, which premieres Sunday, Aug. 26, at 9 p.m. CDT on Starz, follows students, teachers and administrators over the course of a year as they grapple with racial and educational inequities. A fellow alumna, Justine Nagan, is an executive producer of the series – Nagan earned a bachelor’s in film and journalism at UW.
Life has been a whirlwind this summer, but Stovall made some time to check in with us between helping create a curriculum of guided conversations about race that will accompany the rollout of the series and preparing to pack all of her belongings into her 2009 Pontiac to drive across the country this week with her mother to Stanford, where she will begin work toward her Ph.D. this fall.
Q: How did you get involved with this documentary?
A: I had been working at OPRF since I graduated from UW–Madison in 2007. When the school board approved the documentary, Steve James and the rest of the filmmakers started interviewing faculty, students, community members and parents, and I started to explore getting involved. They initially said it was just going to be for a week or two and that with a few teachers they may stay longer. Then they ended up staying for the full year. [laughs] So I didn’t know what exactly I was signing up for. What it wound up being is a year in the life of one American public high school, but I think that people will find that it really is a microcosm for what is going on in schools across the U.S.
Q: What was it like to watch it and to have filmmakers in your classroom, observing and interviewing you and your students for a year?
A: I’m definitely a bit of a shy person [laughs], so the saving grace was the film teams were very small. It was less intrusive than I thought it would be. I was surprised at how quickly the kids and I got used to filming. And a lot of it was because the storyline directors really took time to get to know us, and would even participate in classes sometimes, and made themselves vulnerable and supported the kids. They learned everyone’s name. It became their class as much as mine.
It was really powerful to get feedback from the filmmakers. They would ask questions about things that happened in the classroom that I had barely noticed. The things they asked about were really instructive to me as a teacher. It was an awesome partnership, and in a lot of ways it made me a better teacher.
Q: What did you take away from the experience?
A: I have a lot more ideas and a lot more questions after participating in the documentary. It’s a special experience to be vulnerable on screen. When you’re a woman of color on predominantly white campuses like UW–Madison or Northwestern or at OPRF, which has a predominantly white teaching staff, you can feel like you are alone; like your experiences are unique to you. Being in the documentary helped me see how my experiences are not unique. Hearing from people who watched it who say they saw themselves in me has been really powerful and energizing. It’s been a good touchstone for me as I think about my future research into supporting teachers of color in classrooms at predominantly white institutions.
Q: Was there a particular moment in your life when you decided you wanted to dedicate yourself to working for equity in education?
A: A pivotal moment for me came in high school. I grew up a biracial child in New Richmond, Wisconsin, a small town without a lot of diversity where I didn’t always feel like I belonged. I always knew I wanted to be a teacher because my parents were both educators and I idolized them. But a turning point came in a history class discussion about white privilege. It was an awkward, 50-minute class where my white peers kept looking at me sideways, not sure how to do it. And in the last five minutes the teacher said, “As you can see, there’s an elephant in the room. Jessie, why don’t you give the black perspective on white privilege?” I was a very shy teenager and that felt like social death to me.
After that I went to an English teacher that I trusted and told her about it, and she said, “Well, how would you like to have taught that class?” Then she actually let me teach an entire class — a 17-year-old teaching a class about race and what it was like for me to go to school. It was powerful for me and I really grew into myself in that one class period. I came out of it knowing that I really wanted to study this topic. That drive is part of what led me to Dr. Gloria Ladson-Billings’ work around culturally relevant pedagogy at UW–Madison. I wanted to be at a school that was really doing this work.
Q: How did your time at UW influence your outlook and approach to education when you entered post-college life?
A: The Chancellor’s Scholars program in particular was one of my biggest catalysts for success at UW, in large part because of the really amazing social network and social support it provided which I’d never had before. I didn’t have any black or brown friends growing up, and so to be in a circumstance where I had this amazing cohort of 39 other talented individuals was really powerful. To see their successes and their growth was really motivating.
Q: How did your experience teaching high school change the way that you think about education and equity?
A: I can’t stress enough the importance of relationships — both between teachers and students and students with each other — in creating a safe learning environment where students can take academic risks. When I first started teaching I always felt like I had to be the expert, the authoritarian. I realize now how unhealthy and problematic that can be. I spent a great deal of my time doing Social Emotional Learning work in my classroom. We would push the desks out of the way and we’d sit on the floor and do full-class peace circles — seeing the humanity in each other. People would say, “How can you waste class time doing peace circles when there’s so much curriculum to get through?” But I’ve never gotten through as much curriculum as when I took the time to do these intensive community building activities.
Q: What are the biggest challenges schools like Oak Park are facing in 2018?
A: In an era where we claim or desire to be “post-racial,” issues of race are still impacting our students in classrooms all over the US. The current national climate is very sensitive to issues of race, which is why it’s even more important to be addressing them head-on. Because until outcomes are no longer racially predictable, we need to pay attention to issues of race. The biggest problem is that our national mindset is that we are beyond this, but there is no data that suggests that we are beyond it.
Q: How did you wind up going to New Zealand as a Fulbright Distinguished Teacher?
A: It’s like a dream, basically [chuckles]. I was very lucky to be in the first Fulbright cohort to go to New Zealand. I knew I wanted to go to New Zealand because some of their educational achievement data mirrors ours in the US, but they have very different approaches to how they address those achievement disparities. I studied the work New Zealand is doing around supporting their indigenous Maori and Pacific Islander students, to learn their best practices and how they can be adapted to try to impact educational depth in the US. I went to 14 schools all around New Zealand, including fully immersive Maori schools as well as predominantly white schools, to see how they are addressing issues of achievement. And I came back with lots of ideas that I’ve been piloting around Chicago ever since.
Q: What did you learn about the experiences of students of color in New Zealand that informed how you approach teaching in the U.S.?
A: In New Zealand there are laws that must be followed to support Maori as Maori. What that means is it’s mandatory for every classroom to teach the Treaty of Waitangi, and even in predominantly white schools they have to follow Maori customs and protocols and make sure that their culture is prized in the curriculum. The classes in language and cultural customs that goes into just being able to become a teacher there was really impressive. Most educational institutions in the US have classes that involve culturally sustaining pedagogy or practices, but I don’t think it’s mandated or prized in the same way.
Of course, as in any country, there are always problems. But their starting point and our starting point are just so different. It was really nice for me to see what it feels like to be in spaces where one’s race is not a predictor of one’s success, because I had never really experienced that in interracial spaces. For example, in the US we often still talk about “at-risk students” in classrooms. And when we say “at risk” we know it means students of color, students from low-income backgrounds, students with special needs. We know what that deficit language means. It almost puts the blame on the students. Whereas in New Zealand they call them “priority learners.” That shift of language, to be able to say these kids are our priority, I thought was really powerful.
Q: What do you think are some steps we can take as a society to help close the racial achievement gap in the U.S.?
A: We need to start having real conversations about race and how race has impacted our lived experiences and outcomes. When all those studies came out showing that young girls were not going into STEM fields, institutions put a lot of energy and attention into the problem and have made amazing gains since then. Now imagine if we did that for issues of race. [chuckles] Part of it is — at least in my experience — when we bring up issues of race there still is a lot of “Are we still talking about this? I thought we were over this. It’s not an issue in my community or in my classroom.”
We need to have some really honest conversations about what’s going on in the classroom, which is why I wanted to be part of the documentary. In it, you get a really intimate look at how students are experiencing classrooms and their lives, and race has a lot to do with that. You begin to love and care for them, and as a result of that it challenges you to think about how race has played out in your own life.
I also really believe in teachers. Teachers are changemakers. I’m always meeting people who tell me these stories about how a teacher really inspired them to go into a certain field or change a certain behavior or think a certain way about something — or a teacher who made them hate math [laughs] or pushed them away from something they were passionate about. It’s unfortunate that we are currently in a climate that is not necessarily supportive of teachers. We need to focus our energy on how we can support teachers to be successful in our growing, diverse classrooms. How can we support them social-emotionally and get them the resources they need to be able to do their jobs well.
Interview by Nick Heynen